SEO products

[Robert]

What is your experiences with the seo products you find advertised here and other places from USD10 and up. What can be expected from a product/service at this price?

Robert

[Brian Turner]

SEO products/services - I'm not sure exactly what you are talking about? I'm not sure what could be offered for $10 and provide value - there are so many free tools offered for analysis purposes, but I don't know of anything that will individually help rank a site better for just $10.

Hope that helps - and welcome to Platinax.

[Robert]

You have advertising here from http://www.everglaze.net/ on more like that.
They offer

Automated submission to a total of 1,512,646 search engines, directories, forums, and catalogs across the globe. Specified category of the website will be determined by a submission technician. Customer selected keywords will be included within the submission process.
Over 30 Quality Hand-Submissions to Major Search Engines

they have deals from about USD10.

What can a customer expext from products like this?
Some experiences?

Robert

[TWD-Tony]

Originally Posted by Robert

You have advertising here from http://www.everglaze.net/ on more like that.
They offer

Automated submission to a total of 1,512,646 search engines, directories, forums, and catalogs across the globe. Specified category of the website will be determined by a submission technician. Customer selected keywords will be included within the submission process.
Over 30 Quality Hand-Submissions to Major Search Engines

they have deals from about USD10.

What can a customer expext from products like this?
Some experiences?

Robert

Automated Search engine submission can be done for FREE, there are plenty of software packages on the market that can do this..
Automated Directory submission is something of a hit and miss affair, most of the popular (high PR) directories now have anti-auto submit systems in place.
Automated forum inclusion - can only mean auto forum spamming to me? I would not want any company / product of mine associated with such a tactic.

Adding your website to search engines is something that you shouldn't need to do anyway, with even 1 inbound link from another website - this is enough for a spider to follow and catalogue your website anyway...
It's always worth adding your website yourself to directories etc - so you can choose the most effective category etc...
Forum spamming - useless and possibly product damaging...

Hope this helps...

[rtroxel]

Speaking of SEO...

I notice that Platinax is not listed in the Open Directory Project. Any reason why not? Has the ODP lost its credibility with search engines?

[Brian Turner]

I think I submitted about a year ago to DMOZ...but I can't say I'm fussed with a listing. I no longer submit to DMOZ because I no longer regard it as a directory worth being listed with. It's also worth pointing out that Google may favour the DMOZ editor description over your own, which is not good.

As for the everglaze services of submission - well, you really have to look at what you're getting - effectively, auto-submission is a dead process in SEO terms - you never need automsubmit anything because all you need is a website with a few links, as Tony says, and any search engine worth their salt will find you.

Automated submissions, however, can easily piss off search engines. And let's face it, I can auto-submit an application to play for Manchester United or the Dallas Cowboys, but that doesn't mean to say anybody will take it seriously.

Personally, I'd consider their basic package to be something of a waste.

I'd also raise the point that they're selling doorway pages - which if they mean what the industry would expect them to mean, is a bannable offence in all major search engines, but the company doesn't seem to give warning of this.

[rtroxel]

Here's a site I've used for the past two years. It is an auto-submission process, but you can write all your own text, site description, meta-tags, etc.
This is all submitted automatically every few months to various directories and search engines. You can always change your text.

The site is: www.selfpromotion.com

(I'm not affiliated with it in any way!)

[Robert]

I think i understand...
So whats the way to huge traffic?


Robert

[Brian Turner]

Originally Posted by Robert

So whats the way to huge traffic?

That's the point - you don't want huge traffic - you want *targeted* traffic.

I have a few client sites who get anywahere between 50-200 unique visitors per day, which is pretty small traffic in comparison to many sites.

But the traffic is so well targeted that it converts very well into sales leads.

Is 50 visitors a day pretty poor? Not when you can convert 10-20% of those into sales leads, where each sale is worth a few thousand pounds in net profits.

Overall point is not to think in terms of traffic volumes, but traffic quality. Getting traffic volume is easy - getting traffic quality is the real challenge.

2c, hope that helps.

[BeastMaster]

I think this last point is very good. I'd rather have 50 visitors a day converting 10% than 1000 visitors converting 0% Of course, Id go with 1000 visits a day if I could convert 1% of them ;-)

The quality of traffic is very important in any online campaign. Bad traffic = waste of online ad spending. Rather put your money closer to your ACTUAL customers. Don't go shooting in the dark.